HOME	20. A question and answer

A. Question

Dear brothers in LSM

This is 東信男(Higashi Nobuo) from Japan.

Br. Lee says in his Ephesians LSM24 “the new man is also in our spirit” as below referred to.

Then, let me ask you a question.

Where are the two, the Jews and the gentiles?

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OUR SPIRIT

The phrase “in spirit” is found in every chapter of Ephesians, except chapter one. Do you realize what is in our spirit? You may say that the Lord Jesus and the Spirit of God are in our spirit. This, of course, is correct. But now we need to see that the new man is also in our spirit. God’s habitation, His dwelling place, is in our spirit (2:22). In type, the ancient city of Jerusalem was God’s dwelling place, but today God’s dwelling place is in our spirit. Our regenerated spirit is today’s Jerusalem. You may think that there is no comparison between the city of Jerusalem and our spirit. Jerusalem was a large city, and our spirit is very small. But if you know the Bible, you will realize that our spirit today is much larger than Jerusalem. Our spirit is universally spacious. The problem is that we are too individualistic and think only of our individual spirit. But when the Bible speaks of “your spirit,” it includes the spirits of all the saints.

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東信男(Higashi Nobuo)

Comment: No answer came max for 5 weeks until now (April 12 '18)

B. Answer

The Jews and the gentiles are also in our spirit.

You may say, "The Jews and the gentiles also in our spirit!? Impossible!"
But I say, "Possible." That one new man including the Jews and the gentiles is in our spirit is right. For the new man should be put on. That you cannot answer my question proves that your understanding of one new man is wrong even fake.

"Because the new man was created with us, who belong to the old creation (Eph.2:15)...(foot note Col.3:10³)"???
"One Body(v.16) is the body of Christ the church"???
Do sleep-talk only while you're sleeping.

Now look!
In Eph.2:1-6, here(vv.5-6) is a complete and perfect union of Christ with us the Jews(v.3) and the gentiles(v.1-2). This complete and perfect union is the one new man(v.15-16). And also, this is the masterpiece(v.10), one Spirit(v.18), a holy temple(v.21) and a dwelling place of God(v.22). One existence with many names.

Eph.2:1-6
1 And you, though dead in your offenses and sins,
2 In which you once walked according to the age of this world, according to the ruler of the authority of the air, of the spirit which is now operating in the sons of disobedience;
3 Among whom we also all conducted ourselves once in the lusts of our flesh, doing the desires of the flesh and of the thoughts, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest;
4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in offenses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved)
6 And raised us up together with Him and seated us together with Him in the heavenlies in Christ Jesus,

C. What are these "we"?

From the Cherubim woven on the veil in the tabernacle, br. Lee saw that Christ involved all things into His flesh in His incarnation(Eph.LSM24,Col.LSM27). This is a great light of revelation which br. Lee saw. Praise the Lord.

These "we/you"(v.1-6) are not the "we/you" on this earth, but "we/you" who had been involved into His flesh in His incarnation. They passed through all the steps in His fleshly body while He was on this earth and they were together with Christ crucified(v.16), made alive, risen up and sit in the heavenlies with Him in Him. These "we/you" I call the "objective we" and the we on this earth "subjective we".

Read carefully above verses, and you will see that the "we" and "you" denote the “objective we“ who had been within His flesh and not the "subjective we" who live on this earth.
And the Jews and the gentiles as the “objective we“ are the constituent of the one new man in Eph.2:15. "The two"(v.15), "both"(v.14,16) are of course “objective we“. This clear distinction between the two the “objective we“ and the "subjective we" is crucially important. But br. Lee did not see this clear distinction. So, himself and you all failed to do it and you all fell into the hole of errors. And you have been there for more than 20 years. Alaaas!
And these “objective we“ are now a part of all in all(1:23) (all the fullness in Col.1:19)which is typified by the golden Cherubim in the Holy of Holies.
You should see that Eph.2:1-6 are continuation from previous verse 1:23.

D. The definition of one Spirit(the Spirit) is necessary to be corrected.

One Spirit(v.18) is the same union of Christ with us the “objective we“.
So, you will see that the definition of the Spirit is necessary to be corrected.(see the table below)

The Spirit
New understanding and General understanding

	incarnation	crucifixion, resurrection, ascension						The Spirit	comment
New understanding	14 And the ¹Word became ^2aflesh and ^3btabernacled among us・・・(John 1:14a) And in His flesh all things including “objective we“ were involved.(Ex.36:35)	Eph.2:5 Even when we were ^adead in offenses, made us^1balive ²together with ³Christ (by ^4cgrace you have been ⁵saved) 2:6 And ^1araised us up ²together with Him and ^3bseated us together with Him in the ^4cheavenlies ⁵in Christ Jesus,						Processed and ultimately consummated tri-une God plus all the fullness. All the fullness, typified by the Cherubim in the Holy of Holies, is all things including “objective we“ in it that were reconciled into Christ through His blood.（Col. 1:19 -22）	It is natural for us the “objective we“ that even when dead in offenses, made alive together with Christ and raised up together with Him and seated together with Him in the heavenlies in Christ Jesus(Eph.2:5-6), and also these we who were made a part of all the fullness(Col.1:19-22) to be made members of the Spirit.
General understanding	14 And the ¹Word became ^2aflesh and ^3btabernacled among us・・・(John 1:14a)						■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■	Processed and ultimately consummated tri-une God. (The Spirit is composed of the tri-une God only.) <--- wall of discontinuity	In the Spirit the Holy Spirit, no human element must be included, because the tri-unity will be collapsed.

(this table added at '18.04.06)

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2018/3/13
東信男(Higashi Nobuo)
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